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October 08, 2009

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Your vacuum system may already be here.
Pumps used for removing CFCs from automobile
air conditioning systems have better specs
than you ask for, and are in the $114 price
range. Mine was $99 a year ago, and came
with a vacuum gauge.

You can get 3 cubic foot per minute two stage
pumps for about the same price as 1.5 CFM
single stage pumps. Just Google for those
terms.

A 5 channel portable USB PC oscilloscope
is $67. Parallax sells one for $140. The
PoScope Basic2 is 99 Euros.

Microscopes are better defined by the power
of the objective lens, since you can get any
magnification you like by using too high an
eyepiece magnification. A 100x objective
can be found on microscopes in the $190
range. But take just the objective lens,
and glue it onto a web cam, and you have
the microscope you're looking for.

A liquid nitrogen generator for $100 is
a problem. But if you want liquid nitrogen,
almost all cities have local merchants who
deliver it to dermatologists in small
quantities for between $1 and $4 a liter
(smaller quantities cost more, since there
is a lot of waste when decanting it into a
hot Dewar).

Simon Quellen Field
http://scitoys.com


macegr

The scope spec is easy to meet, if you're willing to get a used 100MHz analog scope. Throw in a $10 pocket multimeter instead of making it part of the scope, it'll be way more useful. Alternately, Seeedstudio just released (and promptly sold out) a $70 pocket digital oscilloscope; only one channel, but definitely getting there: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/beta-testmicro-digital-storage-oscilloscopedso-nano-p-512.html

Dr K

Michael - excellent idea. I would like to donate to the cause, to increase the prize money available. Post a note on how to do thids, if you think this is a good idea,

Jim Lund

Four is basically available already. Oscilloscope cards for PCs are available, here's one for $140:


Multimeters cost almost nothing, under $10.

jor

got to be able to be made for less then a hundred people. Why we gots to buy all our toys?

Gil

I think we should add a centrifuge to that equipment list. All sorts of interesting experiments require centrifuges. Creating a lab grade centrifuge from household items shouldn't be too hard.

Tony

If you only need to measure signals with a low frequency (<20khz) there's a fine oscilloscope in your PC soundcard line/microphone input. Otherwise check ebay, there are plenty of analog scopes up to 100mhz or more for $100.

Tom T.

This is an awesome idea; thank you for offering monetary incentives to get people interested.

Mathew

Simon Quellen is correct about the microscope; here are some directions for an approximately 8000X microscope using an inexpensive model, a telescope's objective lens, and a webcam.

http://www.carnicom.com/scope2.htm

Gil

Ok I've found out a bit about making liquid nitrogen. The main problem is getting regular air compressed to 3000psi! Anything that's even close to that costs several thousand dollars.

Ilija

In regards to the liquid nitrogen, the problem with making it for under $100 are the safety issues, as 3000+ psi pressures are required to liquify atmospheric nitrogen. This could theoretically be done by buying an old scuba tank to hold 2000-3000psi (>$30 on ebay) and then pressurizing it, either with your own equipment or by going somewhere that offers scuba tank filling. I've heard that the fire department will do this for free if you are certified to dive. After the air inside the tank reaches ambient temperature, using proper hosing, the air could be released through some coils where it will depressurize down to the point where it will form a liquid. But again, that would be EXTREMELY dangerous and I atleast would not be willing to work with high pressure in that range.

An alternative to liquid nitrogen that can be used for layman purposes of shattering hotdogs is readily available for a fraction of $100, it just involves purchasing dry ice, which is only a few dollars a pound.
In this process, a large soda bottle and smaller bottle are cut to form cuplike containers. The small container is placed inside the large one. Dry ice is then cut up into small pieces and placed in the large container to surround the small container. Isopropyl alcahol is poured in both the outside container and inside container. The result is supercooled alcohol in the smaller container which can be used for dipping various materials to the point of shattering, with the temperature I believe being close to that of dry ice, in the range of -70 degrees Celsius. Making this is much safer than making true liquid nitrogen, although direct contact with any solids, gases, or liquids used in this process could cause damage to tissue.

For the microscope, ebay offers $130 microscopes for sale that have 1000x magnification. I am also working on a homemade camera based microscope that I will share if it works.

I would add to the list of essential equiptment a spectrophotometer capable of producing light of a specific wavelength from the UV through the near infrared range, which could then be adapted to use any camera and a computer program to measure absorbency by a material. This machinery has many uses in chemistry, physics, and biology.

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What happened to the basic, non-technical stuff? I'm thinking of things like an optical bench, beakers, accurate weights, carts, etc. Most households don't contain these.

Gil

You could try air liquefiation: http://www.gizmology.net/liquid_air.htm

Seems more DIY than the standard industrial process used to make liquid nitrogen

iain

Being a scientist myself I would say there are other devices with alot of use too!

UV/Vis Spectrophotmeter (I cant spell though!)
High.Pressure.Liquid.Chromatography (not just the pen blots on filter paper!)
Inducively.Coupled.Plasma (argon or any inert gas really!)

but yeah......Great idea mate....

snowdruid

i think some people here are missing the point why get a low quality industrial item for high cost if we as engineer/hacker could build oure own med/hi quality tools with low cost.
also ist would be nice for you to set up a paypal account so people can participate and improve on the award money..

jacques

FTW
LAst year,i did post a usb scope for less than 10$

look at here
http://yveslebrac.blogspot.com/

so i do submit it for your contest

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The O-scope is easy if you don't care about measuring high frequencies. However lots of the interesting stuff happens at high frequencies.

Michael Woods

To everyone!

Thank you all for your interest! I've added an edit to the bottom of the original post, with additional details where requested (so go check that out). I'm currently driving across the country (getting into Portland on Friday), but I'll do my best to continue answering questions as they come up!

Michael Saunby

It's already possible here in the UK to pick up many types old lab equipment for free or next to nothing. So anyone wishing to get started on a limited budget can already do so. The low prices suggest that either few people wish to or have the skills even to get started.

I'm wondering what particular areas of science are most suited to this set of low cost tools. Are you planning to build your own electron microscope? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy time on one? Maybe community labs are required, with supervision, rather than cheap home kit. Though I must admit to having my own lab/workshop.


Matthew Pare

So I see a lot of posts here about cheap ebay this ebay that. While these claims are very true they seem counter to the nature of this request/challenge. If I bought a $100 used Tektronix scope I don't know that I would feel comfortable or knowledgeable in repair or modification and I've completed a fair amount of EE schooling. Also there is something valuable in the "Science" you learn while making these devices, even if your only following instructions of someone else who designed it. You built it and with the help of the provided documentation you would probably feel more so comfortable with repairing it and making desired modifications.

I can't speak on behalf of Michael but I would imagine that when he made this post that he probably shared parts of my concerns.

In addition ebay is really susceptible to supply and demand qualities. While the cheap mass produced products may be available constantly the nice "hell of deals" may only come around once in a blue moon. But by designing devices that are built from commonly available and "current" parts the turn over cycle of reproduction is increased to a length that would allow for incremented revisioning and enhancements possibly at the community level. I would love to see these devices and the accompanied documentation follow under some GPL like licensing where the/a community could and hopefully would adopt and enhance their value.

These are just thoughts off the top of my head and even though I used Michael's name above, we have had no correspondence and I cannot speak on his behalf. I'm merely speaking off my open source and community experience and the desire to see these product requests met in a sustainable and reproducible fashion.

-Matthew Pare

Craig Montuori

I'm working on the button thing for Mike. We'll try and get it posted as soon as he arrives in Portland, where he conveniently knows an accountant. Taxes for a gift prize like this would be bad :)

We'll keep everyone posted and welcome to IP!

Matthew

So regarding the scope specifications: 100MHz BW is a hefty goal, but modern ADC chips make this realizable for pretty cheap. The trick though are the various networks which must be connected to the chip to handle different voltages above the chip's input range which is usually less than 5V, and the effect of the frequency-dependent impedances of these networks. It will require a lot of processing power though to handle the data throughput (probably at least 50MSPS, much more if you want full direct sampling), either a digital signal processing chip or even better an FPGA. Those can be expensive and a lot harder to DIY than microcontrollers usually. To meet the price spec it will probably have to be computer connected, as screens, buttons, and cases all add to the price.

The "voltages, currents, resistances, capacitances, and inductances with +/-1% accuracy", that 1% spec is going to be incredibly hard to meet, since it will require tuning and/or calibration which a home DIYer will be unable to perform (at 1% accuracy) themselves, especially at 100MHz because the frequency response of the system will become rather important. 5% is the strictest goal I'd consider setting for a $100 DIY scope, 10% would be even better.

I'm also not sure about using an oscilloscope to measure resistors, capacitors, inductors or current. It has little applicability to a resistor, although you could measure a resistor with a scope if you really wanted to. And you certainly can measure an inductor or capacitor with a scope and a function generator, but only by setting up a divider network and measuring voltages with a given sine wave source, which I suppose would actually be a nice if unconventional feature. Same for measuring current: you don't measure current directly with a scope, only voltage, but you could add the necessary parts to do it if you really wanted.

I think that it will be very hard to meet these specs for the $100 price point, but good luck to those who attempt it.

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I have been interested in building my own microscope and have collected a couple of useful how-to links:
An April 1991 article from Science PROBE! http://www.science-info.net/pages/Roger_Baker/homemade-microscope.pdf
Some useful links at the bottom of this article on grinding lenses http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artoct07/jd-lens.html
They have some very cheap and low tech ways of grinding lenses. In one of the articles, the author collects sand from a local beach, pulverizes it and then uses levigation to separate out the different grades of grinding powders used to grind the lens.

Mark

I was interested in a computer-attached digital oscilloscope for a while, but I found that they are a poor substitute for the real thing; most have a low sample rate and low resolution.

For digital acquisition, the sample rate must be many times higher than the frequency of the input signal. Otherwise the captured data will be useless as it won't reproduce the input waveform accurately.

You may have heard of the Nyquist frequency; this is the bare minimum, and will only tell you the frequency of the input signal, *not* what it looks like (which would include the waveform (sine, sawtooth, square, etc), ringing, etc).

In other words, most (or all) cheap scope hardware that is available performs very poorly. To get a good look at a 10MHz waveform, you need at least 10 samples per cycle, or 100MS/s. I haven't seen anything <$100 that meets these requirements.

Like others have said, the heck with ebay. These items should be simple enough that the person who wants it can assemble it and troubleshoot/repair/modify it. A used Tek is certainly nice, but it cannot be assembled, troubleshooted, repaired, or modified by the end user. As such, the Tek won't be a learning experience for it's user.

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